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Sunday, December 02, 2012

How Poor is Poor?

 

As some of my more loyal readers know, I am currently overseeing the installation of a new roof on the consulate for the US in Ecuador. Perhaps at a later date I will share a whole plethora of stories and tales from my adventure, but right now I just want to share some thoughts.

Ecuador is a land rich with exotic life, a vibrant landscape and abundant sunshine. The coastal plains are nearly desert like with little rainfall, though well irrigated with the run off from the mountains. The highest point on earth is here, not Mount Everest as most people are led to believe. The mountains are covered by an ancient glacier. On the other side of the mountains lies the head waters to the Amazon, a lush tropical rainforest, the jungles of South America.

The people here have a rich and ancient history with traditions and a heritage dating back to time before Christ, and most of the population is Christian, in particular Catholic. The native Ecuadoran man is diminutive in size averaging just over 5'-3", the women slightly smaller. They are all very attractive and seem ever joyful. There is a lot of hispanic blood mixed in. Spanish is the most common language spoken, but as I am discovering it is blended with Quichua, an Aztec language which is making it even more difficult for me to learn.

There is tremendous American influence here, from McDonalds to Santa sitting in his chair at the mall to "Black Friday" sales and Hershey bars at the checkout counters. Most autos however are not American, but smaller vehicles that perform better, get better gas milage and are easier to maneuver around with.

There are pockets of wealth throughout the land, areas of the city where the affluent live, work, shop and play. There is also extreme poverty. Entire neighborhoods where the houses are merely cinder block shells with no glass or doors, tin roofs and rain barrels to collect water. They have no plumbing. In between the wealthy and the poor exists the bulk of the population. They have somewhat nice homes, but are very small and crowded close together. There are ever present reminders of the tumultuous political unrest of the past. Most shops and houses are built like small fortresses, walled in, fenced in, guarded by dogs, barbed wire or hired armed security personnel. Even the mall security carry shotguns, hand guns and wear bullet proof vests. Once this city was an inviting port for pirates seeking an easy plunder of Inca gold heading for Spain. The pirates legacy of thievery and looting is still prevalent today.

I work on the roof along side a crew of native men. These men work for a local roofing contractor, not a US firm nor the United States government. The laborers make $1.25 an hour US. They work a 10 hour day, 5 days a week and 8 hours on Saturday. They come from almost 2 hours away to work. A skilled roofing technician makes almost twice the laborers wage. Their employer provides them with lunch each day. These are hard working men, half my size with twice the heart. We are learning from each other. I can't find the words to describe how I feel about being able to work along side them. I am deeply honored.

SOooo. As for the original question I posed, "How poor is poor?" Are these people poor? They smile almost the entire day. They are happy to have work, a place to stay, food and drink. They are friendly and interested in learning. Soooo... How poor do you have to be to be truly poor? I just want to know.

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Poor is when you don't have food and shelter. That's how I define it.
Posted 12/1/2012 8:44 PM by Colorsofthenight - recommend - reply

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There was a retired physician that I knew (he has since passed away), that insisted that each and every one of his children spend one month after their graduation from high school in a village in Africa. He wanted them to understand the difference between want and need. The problem most of us have in this country is that even some of our needs are really wants when you get right down to it. Poor is when you want what you can't have and don't have what you need.
Posted 12/1/2012 8:51 PM by murisopsis Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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You're only poor when you're not rich in spirit. I did not know that you were away. I look forward to pics. .....
Posted 12/1/2012 8:52 PM by Kellsbella - recommend - reply

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In my opinion money has nothing to do with being poor. Some of the poorest people I know have fat bank accounts and wallets, and more material things than most of us can even dream of. They have no soul, and no happiness in their hearts. They do not see life as a blessing but as a chance to have more than their neighbors.
Rich and happiness is a dance of the heart and those people who you asked if they are poor, who smile all day long, are not poor. They truly know how to live.
Posted 12/1/2012 9:28 PM by online now Grannys_Place Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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Wow!
Posted 12/1/2012 9:45 PM by Megabyyte Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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Those men lived the hard life, and they work because it's their life source. I wish I could find such dedicated and hardworking men here. Some laborers took shortcuts in their work... they can give one the attitude and said they are protected by a labor union.
Posted 12/1/2012 10:01 PM by Qipao_Queen Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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I think poor is a state of mind. Material things make life easy, but they do not guarantee a happy life.
Posted 12/1/2012 10:30 PM by Erika_Steele Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend (1) - reply

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i don't know much about ecuador...and thanks for the post...good night.

Posted 12/1/2012 10:33 PM by Tallman Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend - reply

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We were missionaries in Central Africa for 6 years. I'm sure I learned more about life and trusting God from them than they did from me.
Posted 12/1/2012 10:59 PM by ata_grandma Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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To some degree, after you have food and shelter, rich or poor is about what is in the heart!
Posted 12/1/2012 11:15 PM by Donkey_Guy_10 Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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Well the Ecuadorians here in the states are average size. Oh my, I should go to Ecuador, the thought of being surrounded by little tiny women...
Posted 12/1/2012 11:48 PM by RulerofMasons - recommend - reply

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Food, shelter, and health/health related necessities are the most important things to me. I think if you are severely lacking in those 3 things then you are poor for the time period that you are lacking.


Transportation is a very nice and convenient privilege, it's not necessary where I live but it sure makes things easier which I enjoy. Education is a luxury, but a very valuable luxury. Internet access is also quite necessary (either at home, or at a library or something) in the U.S. and my life wouldn't be the same without it. I think most commentator's had it right when they differentiated between financial poverty and other types of poverty (spirit/soul, friends and family, moral character). There is a difference.

As for these men, I've never been to Ecuador and I don't know how much life costs over there so I couldn't tell if they are poor or not, but 1.25 a day doesn't sound like much. It's great that they are always smiling though.
Posted 12/1/2012 11:54 PM by maybmaybnot - recommend - reply

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I agree with @murisopsis -  - many people don't understand the difference between wanting and needing - they say things like "I need a new cell phone" when their current one works fine. A former coworker of mine was out of work on disability and her husband was only working part time. They were barely able to pay the rent, and her car was repossessed. But they were still buying themselves luxuries that she said they needed, like new video games, toys for the kids, and new cell phones.

I think really poor is when you have to struggle to survive each and every day, when it's not a guarantee when you wake up in the morning that you'll eat before you go to bed, and when you have no idea if or how to escape that situation. A lot of people, especially in this country, will never get close to that poor.
Posted 12/2/2012 12:54 AM by leaflesstree Xanga True Member - recommend (1) - reply

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There is economy to scale. If a person spends most of his money for rent and can show little progress even though working, then life is hard. It is sort of comparing a person in New York to a person in Los Angeles. The rent and wages are higher in New York and sometimes the locals have advantages that a person not from that area (like family support and property passed on from their family.)

If one of the laborers had a college education I would be shocked at Equador's economy. In the United States some lowly jobs like Taxi cab drivers could be over educated due to economic difficulties.

How flexible is the EQuador economy? It seems the rich do things to ensure their wealth (by having guards and high walls) and the less rich don't live far from work. I would say if there were mobs of unemployed people, that would make it a dangerous place.
Posted 12/2/2012 1:57 AM by PPhilip Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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You are richer for this experience, I am richer for you telling it, they are richer for experiencing you. Poor is in the eye of the beholder.
Posted 12/2/2012 5:50 AM by maddlines - recommend - reply

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we have to define what is "poor" then..

materialistically speaking, they might fit the billing to be called poor...

but in term of happiness, or being positive about life, i don't think it directly linked to material "richness" that much.. a "poor" person can actually be happier and more positive about life than a "rich" person..
Posted 12/2/2012 6:25 AM by maniacsicko Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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good question. it's too early for thinking.
Posted 12/2/2012 7:26 AM by online now promisesunshine Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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I think, when you are young, you are rich.
By getting older, you get poor.
Cheers,
Michel
Posted 12/2/2012 8:06 AM by michelmthomas - recommend - reply

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Most of your readers summed it up. Once we have the basics of food, warmth and shelter, the only riches we need are health, happiness and love.
Posted 12/2/2012 8:20 AM by TheEmeraldPixie - recommend - reply

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We had a friend form Ecuador that died recently. He told us a lot about his country--her was very proud of it.

We are definitely the fat cats on the planet. It is nice to see how happy people can be when just their basic needs are being met. I can see why you feel honored.

One religious historical figure talked about the poor of spirit--they are the poor ones.

frank
Posted 12/2/2012 9:19 AM by HUMOR_ME_NOW Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend - reply

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Being poor, is not necessarily defined in a monetary way. There are some who live comfortably and with the means to buy whatever and whenever, but I don't think it means they are rich in the way it should count.
Posted 12/2/2012 9:27 AM by armnatmom Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend - reply

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They have cocoa and coca. They win for happiness! :)
Posted 12/2/2012 9:28 AM by sleekpunk - recommend - reply

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Being  poor or rich is a state of mind.  To one person being poor is not being able to buy anything at anytime, to another one it’s not having loyal, loving family and friends to count on for anything at anytime.  It’s all a matter of individuals’ perceptions and beliefs. 

Posted 12/2/2012 9:34 AM by gypsy_angel1 - recommend - reply

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Well done! :)
@leaflesstree - "I think really poor is when you have to struggle to survive each and every day, when it's not a guarantee when you wake up in the morning that you'll eat before you go to bed, and when you have no idea if or how to escape that situation. A lot of people, especially in this country, will never get close to that poor."

(THIS! My mom grew up in a third world country and she told me stories of what it's like to be poor where she was from. Have you lived under a make-shift lean-to out of scraps of metal? Have you slept on a piece of cardboard as a bed? Have you seen diaper-clad babies walking barefoot in the dirty streets? How about hearing the cries of little children begging their mothers for something to eat? What about drinking foul water from a polluted river? No?

Most people in the US/Canada have NO idea what it's like to be truly poor. When you're poor in a third world country, there are no resources for you to fall back on. NO food banks. NO social assistance/welfare. You're shit of of luck, as they say. I'm so thankful my mom was one of the fortunate ones to escape or else I wouldn't be here. People out there, be grateful for what you have even if you don't think you have much, because you really, really do.)
Posted 12/2/2012 11:00 AM by heart_leigh - recommend (1) - reply

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These are people who don't think of themselves as being poor but accept the fact and work hard for thier living. And they do it with joy.
Posted 12/2/2012 10:53 AM by angys_coco Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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